Message-Id: <m0q1OFS-00006TC@xiron.pc.helsinki.fi>
Date:         Sun, 8 May 1994 22:04:01 EDT
Reply-To:     Jorge Llambias <jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU>
Sender:       Lojban list <LOJBAN%CUVMB.bitnet@FINHUTC.hut.fi>
From:         Jorge Llambias <jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: Results of the survey (Re: ko tcidu dei)
To:           Veijo Vilva <veion@XIRON.PC.HELSINKI.FI>
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I sent this to the list last week:

> coi doi lojbo
>
> mi kucli le du'u xokau prenu cu tcidu lei selmri poi se ciska bau la lojban
> i pe'u do tcidu dei inaja e'o ko mrilu lo notci le skami judri be mi
> i mi gubgau le datni ca le bavlamjeftu
> i mi do ckire le nu do mi sidju
>
> ki'e mi'e xorxes

Which roughly translates to:

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Hello Lojbanis,

I would like to know how many people read the posts written in Lojban.
If you're reading this, please send a message to my e-mail address.
I'll publish the results next week.
Thank you for your help.

Jorge
---

[Note: after {pe'u} there should have been a {do'u}, but because of
one of those things, what I wrote is still grammatical, and makes the
same sense that I intended, with a collaborative reader to give a
reasonable interpretation to the first place of {tcidu}.]

The results were better than I had expected: 10 people responded, and
even better, all of them in Lojban! (except for one who used English and
Klingon as well). Most of them had comments, so here are my comments
and misrepresentation of what they said, followed by their actual words:

(In the order in which I received them)

Nick says he reads them. (But has no time for anything else at present.)

Veijo says he tries to read them.

Matthew says he reads them, but finds it hard without the help of the
computer to translate. (This is my case too, I'm constantly using grep
to look up words.)

John says he rarely reads them, because he doesn't have much free time.
Also, he likes "selzukte" posts to be in English. I don't know what
exactly that means, but I guess that Lojban is just for pointless chatter
or something like that :)

Frank says he only reads them if they don't use rafsi, because learning
them is too hard. (Personally I think that it's too hard to say much
without using at least some lujvo.)

Lojbab says that normally he doesn't really read them but skims over
them to see if there is anything that seems important. He also says
that he thinks it's important that many people use Lojban in the list,
to show to the many lookers and non-learners who are always considering or
judging the language and its people.

Colin responded to obey the command. (I had to explain to him that it
was a request, not an order. :)  I also told him that he was already
counted before he sent his reply, because I already knew he reads them.)

Erik says he (with effort) reads them, but that it's happily getting to be
less difficult. (I too find that with practice it gets easier.)
He also would like to know how many people _can_ read Lojban.

Iain says that he reads them, sometimes even understands them! :) but
few times responds.

Bruce says he reads them.


These are their actual words, which I freely interpreted above:

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From: nsn@vis.mu.OZ.AU (Nick NICHOLAS)

Hu'tegh! nuq ja' Jorge Llambias jay'?

=coi doi lojbo

=mi kucli le du'u xokau prenu cu tcidu lei selmri poi se ciska bau la lojban
=i pe'u do tcidu dei inaja e'o ko mrilu lo notci le skami judri be mi

.i mi tcidu. But I'm overwhelmed with thesis work. I suppose that also
answers your question about our diplomacy game (for which apologies);
I'm flat out until July.

--
Nick.

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From: veion@xiron.pc.helsinki.fi

coi doi xorxes

.i mi tcidu troci

co'o mi'e veion

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From: matthew@cpdapo.tele.nokia.fi (Matthew Faupel)

coi doi xorxes.

mi tcidu lei selmri poi se ciska bau la lojban.  .iku'i gonai mi pilno le
skami le sidju be mi bei lenu fanva gi .uinai la'edi'u mi nandu

co'o mi'e. matius.

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From: Logical Language Group <lojbab@access.digex.net>

je'e mi'e .djan.

.iku'i mi to'e cafni tcidu le selmri be bau la lojban. mu'i
le nu mi cando claxu

.i mi nelci le nu le selzukte selmri cu selbangu la gliban.

--
John Cowan              sharing account <lojbab@access.digex.net> for now
                e'osai ko sarji la lojban.

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From: fschulz@PYRAMID.COM

le nu mi na kakne le nu morji lo rafsi cu mukti
le nu mi na tcidu le ciska be la lojban mrilu i
mi tcidu le se ciska poi na pilno lo rafsi i
le nu cilre lo rafsi cu traji nandu
--
        Frank Schulz ( fschulz@pyramid.com )

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From: Logical Language Group <lojbab@access.digex.net>

mi tcidu ba'e di'u ca lenu benji snada .iku'i mi cnano no'e tcidu .ije
se smuni lenu mi sutra catlu gi'e pajni ledu'u vajni ja'e lenu tcidu mu'i
lenu simsa vajni .iku'i mi dukse xaksu le to'erdukse temci pe lemi nuntcidu
.i mi jinvi lenu vajni falenu so'i lojbo cu cusku bau la lojban sepi'o le
liste kei ku'i lenu so'i catlu joi na'e cilre cu roroi pensi ja pajni le cecmu
.e le bangu

ni'o mi'e lojbab

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From: Colin Fine <C.J.Fine@bradford.ac.uk>

mi gasnu le te minde

mi'e kolin

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From: Erik Rauch <rauch@CS.YALE.EDU>

doi xorxes.

>mi kucli le du'u xokau prenu cu tcidu lei selmri poi se ciska bau la lojban

mi .a'i tcidu lei do selmri
.i leni nadnu be go'i cu jdika .ui

mi kucli le du'u xokau prenu cu ka'e tcidu bau la lojban.

mi'e .erik.


| Erik Rauch                                             rauch-erik@yale.edu |

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From: i.alexander.bra0125@oasis.icl.co.uk

mi tcidu le te bangu be fi la lojban. selmri
.i su'oroi ku mi jimpe ji'a .ue zo'o
.i ca so'u .u'u roi ku mi spuda

co'o mi'e .i,n.

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From: Bruce Mardle <bruce@algol.demon.co.uk>

mi tcidu le do se mrilu

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And that's all. Thanks a lot to those who responded, and those who didn't,
start reading the Lojban posts, or one of these days someone might post
something interesting and you'll miss it. :)


Jorge