Return-Path: <@FINHUTC.HUT.FI:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET> Received: from FINHUTC.hut.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0pxpvD-00006TC; Mon, 2 May 94 07:47 EET DST Message-Id: Received: from FINHUTC.HUT.FI by FINHUTC.hut.fi (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4464; Mon, 02 May 94 07:48:07 EET Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin MAILER@SEARN) by FINHUTC.HUT.FI (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4462; Mon, 2 May 1994 07:48:07 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 3335; Mon, 2 May 1994 06:46:33 +0200 Date: Sun, 1 May 1994 15:09:23 EDT Reply-To: Jorge Llambias Sender: Lojban list From: Jorge Llambias Subject: Re: afterthought logical connection X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Veijo Vilva Content-Length: 1315 Lines: 55 la djan spusku di'e > > (I'm not > > sure what kanxyjvavlina means, why not just the te vlina?) > > I take it to mean "conjunction or alternation, as the case may be". I still don't get it. Since we were talking about "ja", why bring in "je" and not any of the others? Besides, what is the "javni" doing there? Or was it meant to be kanxyjavyvlina? [...] > Actually, pc long ago illustrated one difference. Consider: > > 1) ta blanu lorxu gi'o lenku lorxu > that is-a-blue fox if-and-only-if is-a-cold fox > That is a blue fox if and only if it is a cold fox. > > vs. > > 2) ta blanu gi'o lenku lorxu > That is-a-(blue if-and-only-if cold) fox You probably meant: ta blanu jo lenku lorxu > > Example 1 is a mere logical connection between propositions: it does not entail > that "ta" refers to a fox of any sort. Example 2, on the other hand, does so > entail: it claims that "ta" refers to a fox, one which has the property of > being blue if and only if it is cold. Ok, but that doesn't really answer the question. What's the difference between: ta blanu jo lenku and: ta blanu gi'o lenku Or between: ta blanu jo lenku lorxu interpreted as: ta lorxu noi blanu jo lenku and: ta lorxu noi blanu gi'o lenku Jorge