Return-Path: <@FINHUTC.HUT.FI:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET> Received: from FINHUTC.hut.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0q4cnA-00006YC; Sat, 21 May 94 01:11 EET DST Message-Id: Received: from FINHUTC.HUT.FI by FINHUTC.hut.fi (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 8622; Sat, 21 May 94 01:11:54 EET Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin MAILER@SEARN) by FINHUTC.HUT.FI (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8618; Sat, 21 May 1994 01:11:53 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 0158; Sat, 21 May 1994 00:10:11 +0200 Date: Fri, 20 May 1994 09:40:38 -0400 Reply-To: Logical Language Group Sender: Lojban list From: Logical Language Group Subject: Re: ta'e/na'o X-cc: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Veijo Vilva In-Reply-To: <199405200516.AA21590@access3.digex.net> from "Logical Language Group" at May 20, 94 01:16:53 am Content-Length: 1544 Lines: 31 la lojbab. cusku di'e > na'o is intended to be objective, covering most of the interval, but as > John said, "most" being determined by context. I think that the term "most" is dangerous, and I therefore merely refer to the "typical part" of the interval; i.e. context determines. > ta'e is intended to be a subjective evaluation, as John said, selected with > reference to the observed behavior (I am not sure this would necessarily be > an agent's behavior - a patient could also typically experience something > under some conditions). ta'e might also be seen as correlating to the > high probability that the event would occur during the interval, whereas na'o > is talking more about how much of the interval is associated with the event. I don't think so: we have no tense for "probably". Things asserted to {ta'e} occur, occur just as much as anything else; we simply add the side comment that the occurrence reflects the habitual behavior of some person or animal. > If these seem contradictory or incompatible, we need to find the notes (not > easy these days) or check with pc. There may be some clarification in the > discussion of TAhE in very old cmavo lists, but I may be being optimistic. There's nothing useful in the 10/88 list, except for the note that "ta'e" is tied to "tcaci", whereas "na'o" is tied to "cnano". These are mnemonic hints, not precise definitions as in the case of BAI cmavo. -- John Cowan sharing account for now e'osai ko sarji la lojban.