Return-Path: <@FINHUTC.HUT.FI:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET> Received: from FINHUTC.hut.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0qFD3C-00001WC; Sun, 19 Jun 94 05:56 EET DST Message-Id: Received: from FINHUTC.HUT.FI by FINHUTC.hut.fi (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2239; Sun, 19 Jun 94 05:56:21 EET Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin MAILER@SEARN) by FINHUTC.HUT.FI (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2235; Sun, 19 Jun 1994 05:56:20 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 6610; Sun, 19 Jun 1994 04:54:26 +0200 Date: Sat, 18 Jun 1994 22:50:47 -0400 Reply-To: Logical Language Group Sender: Lojban list From: Logical Language Group Subject: Re: sumti categories X-To: jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU X-cc: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Veijo Vilva Content-Length: 1324 Lines: 30 JL> la lojbab (to noi fasnu ianai toi) cusku di'e JL> JL> > NO! I mean that I, the person AM an event. When you respond to me, you ar JL> > responding to me as a person as well as to me as an event. JL> JL> But responding to you as a person means that I'm responding to something JL> you said or did. Responding to you as an event, means that I'm responding JL> to you happening, whatever that means. (From what you say, "I happen" JL> means something like "I began to exist, am existing, and will cease to JL> exist".) Which of those two meanings is expressed by {mi spuda do}? The latter. Or at least, if you are responding to something I said or did, it is only within the context of that saying/doing being a manifestation of MY existence. I guess I may be saying that "mi" as an event is an alternative to "lenu mi fasnu", which in turn is usuallyy pragmatically the same as "lenu mi zasti". JL> > Thus (waxing JL> > philosophically), Lojban expresses nicely the idea of "two lives intersec JL> > as the events which are those lives interact. JL> Could you show how? Well, if I am an event, then certainly you are an event as well. When our lives intersect (after the manner of the English idiom), I see it as referring to these two events interacting and mutually affecting each other. Does that help? lojbab