Return-Path: <@FINHUTC.HUT.FI:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET> Received: from FINHUTC.hut.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0qDLLH-00006iC; Tue, 14 Jun 94 02:22 EET DST Message-Id: Received: from FINHUTC.HUT.FI by FINHUTC.hut.fi (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 3368; Tue, 14 Jun 94 02:23:07 EET Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin MAILER@SEARN) by FINHUTC.HUT.FI (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3363; Tue, 14 Jun 1994 02:23:03 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 6277; Tue, 14 Jun 1994 01:21:08 +0200 Date: Mon, 13 Jun 1994 17:00:10 EDT Reply-To: jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU Sender: Lojban list From: Jorge Llambias Subject: Burning paper X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Veijo Vilva Content-Length: 900 Lines: 30 How do we say in Lojban: "Paper burns at 451 degrees Fahrenheit." These are the relevant gismu: pelji x1 is paper from source x2 jelca x1 burns/[ignites/is flammable/inflammable] at temperature x2 in atmosphere x3 kelvo x1 is x2 degree(s) Kelvin [metric] in temperature (default is 1) by standard x3 I will use kelvrfarenxaito for Fahrenheit, but other suggestions are welcome. Paper is {loi pelji}. My problem is how to fill the x2 of {jelca}. From the definition, it seems that a dimensioned number should go there, but there doesn't seem to be any way to get such a sumti in Lojban. My attempt is: loi pelji cu jelca le kelvrfarenxaito be li vomupa but this would be correct only if {jelca} meant "x1 burns at the temperature of x2", i.e. x2 is something at the relevant temperature, rather than the temperature itself. Opinions, comments? Jorge