Return-Path: <@FINHUTC.HUT.FI:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET> Received: from FINHUTC.hut.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0qEg35-00001WC; Fri, 17 Jun 94 18:41 EET DST Message-Id: Received: from FINHUTC.HUT.FI by FINHUTC.hut.fi (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 1590; Fri, 17 Jun 94 18:42:00 EET Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin MAILER@SEARN) by FINHUTC.HUT.FI (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1585; Fri, 17 Jun 1994 18:41:59 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 3754; Fri, 17 Jun 1994 17:40:05 +0200 Date: Fri, 17 Jun 1994 11:42:58 EDT Reply-To: jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU Sender: Lojban list From: Jorge Llambias Subject: Re: (kau) and (du'u) and (jei) X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Veijo Vilva Content-Length: 1032 Lines: 31 la i,n cusku di'e > No, the property disambiguator is just plain {da}. That was my understanding a while back, but the last version of John's paper on abstractions says otherwise. > (Is it time to revisit my "Desperately seeking properties" > rant from way back at the end of August? John Cowan threatened > to respond to the "properties" half, but to the best of my > knowledge never did.) Yes, please do! I think at the time I was in anti-nationality-gismu mode, and probably wasn't reading all that was posted. > > mi djuno le du'u xukau la djan nelci lei plise > > > (and the {xu} could even be dropped)... > > I'm not sure about dropping the {xu}. I did once venture > {nakau} for this (I think it was a private message to Colin). Yes, it's safer to leave it there. I hadn't thought of {nakau}, but it should work. I still prefer to use only question words for indirect questions, because it's the most regular form. Also it makes sense, since {kau} means something like "the answer to this question". Jorge