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Date:         Tue, 26 Jul 1994 01:19:09 -0400
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From:         Logical Language Group <lojbab@ACCESS.DIGEX.NET>
Subject:      Re: Response to Randall Holmes on Loglan/Lojban "me"
To:         jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU
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Let me clarify since Randall doesn't know the Lojban words.

UU> > The fundamental point is that the technical sense of ME that I propose
UU> > is NOT "identity conversion"; it is conversion of multiple reference
UU> > into a predicate form (suitable for conversion to set reference, for
UU> > example).
UU> >
UU> >
UU> >                                         --Randall Holmes
UU>
UU> I think {du lu'a} can do that job in Lojban, as long as the default
UU> quantifier of {lu'a} is {su'o}, as the grammar paper suggests, and not
UU> {ro}, as the cmavo list suggests.

If thedeafult quantifier doesn't do what you want, you can make explicit the
quantifier that you think should be there : "du [be] su'o lu'a

lu'a for Randall's benefit takes a single or compound argument and produces
another argument after changing its nature.  It's grammar is that of LAhE,
which closely corresponds to TLI "lae/sae".  Here are the definitions

lu'i      LAhE     the set composed of                       the set with
 members; converts another description type to a set of the members
lu'a      LAhE     the individuals of                        the members of the
 set/components of the mass; converts another description type to individuals
lu'o      LAhE     the mass composed of                      the mass composed
 of; converts another description type to a mass composed of the members


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