Return-Path: <@FINHUTC.HUT.FI:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET> Received: from FINHUTC.hut.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0qTU2k-000023C; Thu, 28 Jul 94 14:54 EET DST Message-Id: Received: from FINHUTC.HUT.FI by FINHUTC.hut.fi (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2644; Thu, 28 Jul 94 14:53:16 EET Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin MAILER@SEARN) by FINHUTC.HUT.FI (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2641; Thu, 28 Jul 1994 14:53:15 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 8247; Thu, 28 Jul 1994 13:52:21 +0200 Date: Thu, 28 Jul 1994 12:49:58 BST Reply-To: C.J.Fine@BRADFORD.AC.UK Sender: Lojban list From: Colin Fine Subject: Re: Object and Event To: Veijo Vilva Content-Length: 1107 Lines: 23 Bob Slaughter says: > > All objects are some form of event. Nothing is permanent. The distinction > between permanence and transience is (minimally) an artifical distinction of > English. If the Big Bang predicated a cyclical universe that will collapse > upon itself, even the universe is just an event in a larger frame of reference. > I don't see the need to have object identifiers that distinguish this. Event > should be the "timeless" form of a sumti, and an object the condition at a > single moment or during a specified period of time, with that time marked with > a tense marker. do djica ja'o lenu jbobansku tai la'e de'u .i fi'i bob. ko gasnu lesego'i sera'a ba'e do .ija'enaibo tu'a do piso'oroi ba'a se jimpe .i .ai mi'a cajeba jbobansku sepi'o le fadni kamfrica be lo dacti bei lo fasnu If you wish to use Lojban in this way, go ahead: you might even get understood part of the time. The rest of us will go on making the everyday distinction between objects and events which we all understand (though there are undoubtedly borderline cases which give us pause). mi'e kolin