Return-Path: <@FINHUTC.HUT.FI:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET> Received: from FINHUTC.hut.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0qTW7t-000023C; Thu, 28 Jul 94 17:08 EET DST Message-Id: Received: from FINHUTC.HUT.FI by FINHUTC.hut.fi (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 3970; Thu, 28 Jul 94 17:06:44 EET Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin MAILER@SEARN) by FINHUTC.HUT.FI (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3968; Thu, 28 Jul 1994 17:06:44 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 4295; Thu, 28 Jul 1994 16:05:53 +0200 Date: Thu, 28 Jul 1994 10:06:54 -0400 Reply-To: Logical Language Group Sender: Lojban list From: Logical Language Group Subject: Re: Lojbanized German place names X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Veijo Vilva In-Reply-To: <199407281253.AA01205@nfs1.digex.net> from "Nick NICHOLAS" at Jul 28, 94 10:51:32 pm Content-Length: 1033 Lines: 29 la .and. pu cusku di'e > =Could you explain the argument that roundedness does not count? > =Couldn't the Lojban i/u & e/o distinction be one of roundedness > =rather than backness? la nitcion. cusku di'e > Oh, I dunno, And... I have these horror visions of Lojbanists producing > back unrounded vowels (which sound hideous enough in British and American > English --- we Ozzies have the sense to pronounce /u/ in cup as a short version > of /a/ in carp --- both as low centrals, rather than unrounded back vowels, > mid-open and open resp. One more reason why this is God's own country! Ahem. Poms may use a back unrounded vowel there, but We Amerkins use [@], a mid central unrounded vowel. As for "carp", that gets four phonemes, [kaRp], as ol' Caxton plainly intended. Of course, J.R.R.T. once described American as "English after having been wiped over with a dirty sponge".... > zo'osai) mi'usai -- John Cowan sharing account for now e'osai ko sarji la lojban.