From: Logical Language Group <lojbab>
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Subject: Re: ciska bai tu'a zo bai
To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu
Date: Mon, 25 Jul 1994 12:56:14 -0400 (ADT)
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In-Reply-To: <199407251541.AA04616@nfs1.digex.net> from "Jorge Llambias" at Jul 25, 94 11:38:33 am
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la xorxes. cusku di'e

> >         le bloti .uudai klama le xasloi
> >         The boat [Pity!] [empathy] goes-to the ocean:floor
> >         The boat, poor thing, sank.
> 
> (Missing a cu there) Is the boat feeling pity?

Right you are, on both counts.  This one works better without the "dai",
actually; the speaker feels pity toward the boat.

> How about:
> 
>         le jatna cu catlu le nu le bloti .uudai cu klama le xasloi
>         The captain looks how the boat, poor thing, sinks.
> 
> The empathy is of course with the captain, not with the boat. The boat is
> what inspires the pity, not who feels it. Should uu be stuck to the object
> of pity or to the one who feels pity, in the case of empathy?

Presumably still to the object of pity.  Better yet, use a "sei".

> I don't think uu is an easy emotion to attribute to inanimate objects.
> ui might be easier:
> 
>         le bloti cu klama uidai
>         The boat goes, happy!

Better, but still not quite on.  We'll {ga'icu'i} get it yet.


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