Message-Id: <199407111941.AA16144@nfs1.digex.net> Reply-To: veion@XIRON.PC.HELSINKI.FI Date: Mon Jul 11 15:41:51 1994 Sender: Lojban list From: Veijo Vilva Subject: TECH: ma budjo su'u da tadni la lojban X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Bob LeChevalier Status: RO X-From-Space-Date: Mon Jul 11 15:41:51 1994 X-From-Space-Address: LOJBAN%CUVMB.BITNET@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU The vague abstractor su'u has an x2 place to define the type of abstraction in question. This is a working solution but seems to be unnecessarily clumsy at times. A tanru structure seems to me more appropriate - especially if x2 would be a simple descriptor. In the tanru a modifier selbri would be used to define the nature of the abstraction. So instead of le su'u mi klama kei be lo fasnu we would have le fasnu su'u mi klama for which le nu mi klama would be a natural abbreviation. The tanru structure makes it possible to express quite complex things easily and naturally: ma vitno je jicmu su'u zasti What is the Eternal and Fundamental Principle of Things? Quite often we want to emphasize the exact nature of the abstraction and not so much the object of abstraction. This makes the tanru structure even more desirable in view of the limited number of predefined abstractors. co'o mi'e veion --------------------------------- .i mi du la'o sy. Veijo Vilva sy. ---------------------------------