Return-Path: <@FINHUTC.HUT.FI:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET> Received: from FINHUTC.hut.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0qSq3Z-000023C; Tue, 26 Jul 94 20:12 EET DST Message-Id: Received: from FINHUTC.HUT.FI by FINHUTC.hut.fi (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2257; Tue, 26 Jul 94 20:11:23 EET Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin MAILER@SEARN) by FINHUTC.HUT.FI (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2255; Tue, 26 Jul 1994 20:11:21 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 8938; Tue, 26 Jul 1994 19:10:26 +0200 Date: Tue, 26 Jul 1994 13:03:23 EDT Reply-To: jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU Sender: Lojban list From: Jorge Llambias Subject: Re: Response to Randall Holmes on Loglan/Lojban "me" X-To: holmes@diamond.idbsu.edu, lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Veijo Vilva Content-Length: 867 Lines: 29 > On Jorge's account, in his second message, his construction will > NOT work, for the usual reasons. Too bad! > Ok, let me try again. You wanted: > The construction Jorge describes (du lu'a ) sounds as if it > might work, if it is indeed the case that lu'a means "the > set of the things designated by ". I assume du means "is a > member of set..." Again, I do not know Lojban vocabulary. If you want literally that, then: (cmima lu'i ) is just that. cmima mim cmi member x1 is a member/element of set x2; lu'i LAhE the set composed of I still don't see a problem with {lu'i le nanmu} for "lea me le mrenu". I don't think {lu'i le nanmu} is a set with one element "the men", but rather the set that has "all the men" as elements. > --Randall Holmes > Jorge