Return-Path: <@FINHUTC.HUT.FI:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET> Received: from FINHUTC.hut.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0qPwSm-000023C; Mon, 18 Jul 94 20:26 EET DST Message-Id: Received: from FINHUTC.HUT.FI by FINHUTC.hut.fi (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2762; Mon, 18 Jul 94 20:25:22 EET Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin MAILER@SEARN) by FINHUTC.HUT.FI (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2760; Mon, 18 Jul 1994 20:25:22 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 8291; Mon, 18 Jul 1994 19:24:33 +0200 Date: Mon, 18 Jul 1994 10:22:28 -0700 Reply-To: jimc@MATH.UCLA.EDU Sender: Lojban list From: jimc@MATH.UCLA.EDU Subject: Re: lojban phonology X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu X-cc: delaques@GCG.COM To: Veijo Vilva In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 18 Jul 94 12:02:03 CDT." <9407181701.AA00794@julia.math.ucla.edu> Content-Length: 1424 Lines: 32 Philip Delaquess writes: > ...Suppose somebody reads the following in a slow monotone: > > i mi fi do ca cusku fe ... > > What prevents the listener from hearing this? > > i mi fi do ca cu skufe ... > > What is the role of spaces and newlines in Lojban text? > Are they ever either mandatory or illegal? In audible speech you would hear this, representing stress by upper case: .imifidocacUskufe ... According to the morphology rules, each V and CV syllable (also CVV but more complicated) is a separate cmavo if it isn't the last syllable of a brivla. The stressed syllable {cUs} -- the only one in this text -- signals the next to last syllable of a brivla, which in this case has only two syllables. Then the following {ku} is part of the brivla, after which {fe} is again a separate cmavo. You have to mark stress or put in whitespace (or both, though nobody does it). Stress rules like this are common in natural languages for marking word boundaries. There's a paper on this though I don't have the filename at the tip of my tongue -- ftp://ftp.cs.yale.edu/pub/lojban/ James F. Carter Voice 310 825 2897 FAX 310 206 6673 UCLA-Mathnet; 6221 MSA; 405 Hilgard Ave.; Los Angeles, CA, USA 90024-1555 Internet: jimc@math.ucla.edu BITNET: jimc%math.ucla.edu@INTERBIT UUCP:...!{ucsd,ames,ncar,gatech,purdue,rutgers,decvax,uunet}!math.ucla.edu!jimc