Return-Path: <@FINHUTC.HUT.FI:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET> Received: from FINHUTC.hut.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0qTC2h-000023C; Wed, 27 Jul 94 19:41 EET DST Message-Id: Received: from FINHUTC.HUT.FI by FINHUTC.hut.fi (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 3871; Wed, 27 Jul 94 19:40:00 EET Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin MAILER@SEARN) by FINHUTC.HUT.FI (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3867; Wed, 27 Jul 1994 19:40:00 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 8027; Wed, 27 Jul 1994 18:39:07 +0200 Date: Wed, 27 Jul 1994 12:35:00 EST Reply-To: SLAUGHTER Sender: Lojban list From: SLAUGHTER Subject: Re: Object and Event X-To: WAUGH X-cc: lojban To: Veijo Vilva Content-Length: 1208 Lines: 23 Jack Waugh sez: >Would you call a candle flame an "event", or an "object"? yes. >Recall that the flame retains no material for long; all >its material is always flowing through it. All objects are some form of event. Nothing is permanent. The distinction between permanence and transience is (minimally) an artifical distinction of English. If the Big Bang predicated a cyclical universe that will collapse upon itself, even the universe is just an event in a larger frame of reference. I don't see the need to have object identifiers that distinguish this. Event should be the "timeless" form of a sumti, and an object the condition at a single moment or during a specified period of time, with that time marked with a tense marker. ************************************************************************** * Bob Slaughter * Model Railroading * * InterNet: Haldane@Pine.Circa.Ufl.Edu * is Fun!! * * * * * Bitnet: Haldane@UFPine * ask me about lojban * **************************************************************************