Return-Path: <@FINHUTC.HUT.FI:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET> Received: from FINHUTC.hut.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0qUYwN-000023C; Sun, 31 Jul 94 14:20 EET DST Message-Id: Received: from FINHUTC.HUT.FI by FINHUTC.hut.fi (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 9645; Sun, 31 Jul 94 14:19:15 EET Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin MAILER@SEARN) by FINHUTC.HUT.FI (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 9642; Sun, 31 Jul 1994 14:19:14 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 9934; Sun, 31 Jul 1994 13:18:21 +0200 Date: Sun, 31 Jul 1994 21:19:23 +1000 Reply-To: Nick NICHOLAS Sender: Lojban list From: Nick NICHOLAS Subject: gradu is broken X-To: Lojban Mailing List To: Veijo Vilva Content-Length: 1195 Lines: 27 Lojbab is going to invoke divine punishment on me for this, but it seems an obvious oversight. All our measurement words have the place structure x1 is x2 units by standard x3. If we want to pull new units into the scheme, we either do MKS combinations (which can get quite unwieldy as lujvo), or we use gradu. For example, Lojbab has translated 'volt' as dicyda'erau --- electrical force unit. The place structure of gradu, unit, is x1 is a unit of standard x2 measuring property x3. This seems inconsistent to me. We can't really say X is 9 units in size, or for that matter, X is 9 volts, using the scheme we do for grake, mitre, dekpu, and whatnot. I think it makes all the sense of the world to make gradu: x1 is x2 units by standard x3, where the unit measures property x4. This would make "it's 9 volts", da dicyda'erau li so, consistent with "it's 9 grams", da grake li so. Yes? -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Nick Nicholas. Linguistics, University of Melbourne. nsn@krang.vis.mu.oz.au nsn@mundil.cs.mu.oz.au nick_nicholas@muwayf.unimelb.edu.au AND MOVING SOON TO: nnich@speech.language.unimelb.edu.au