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Date:         Thu, 28 Jul 1994 21:50:32 +1000
Reply-To:     Nick NICHOLAS <nsn@VIS.MU.OZ.AU>
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From:         Nick NICHOLAS <nsn@VIS.MU.OZ.AU>
Subject:      Re: ga'i[nai], ke'u[nai], va'i[nai]
To:           Veijo Vilva <veion@XIRON.PC.HELSINKI.FI>
In-Reply-To:  <199407230314.8350@krang.vis.mu.OZ.AU> from "Logical Language
              Group" at Jul 22, 94 11:12:06 pm
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Hu'tegh! nuq ja' Logical Language Group jay'?

=.o'o vs, .o'onai change is sufficiently affecting of existing usage that it
=will take substantial agreement from the community to reverse these.  But if
=people speak up, and someone is willing to check all texts up on the ftp site
=(at minimum), Nora and I can agree to the change based on John's argument
=that anger is a fundamental emotion.  So speak up, people!!

It's true about anger; but it's also true that most of the UI scales are
aligned along clear positive/negative lines. Then again, .ii is an exception,
and it makes sense for .o'o to be too. Then third, this is riding roughly
over a very old part of our language. Then fourth, we've ridden harder over
just about every other feature in the language. As an aggregate result, I
don't care either way.

="ke'u" has a strong metaphor in "krefu" and hence should not change
=I think "va'i" (clue-word valsi) is less aligned, and could change without
=too much confusion, but again, someone needs to check for usage in published
=text.  Unlike ".o'onai", I think such usage is minimal, and Nora and I will
=more readily agree with a milder consensus.

I'll go with this: "in other words" is a more frequent thing to say, anyway.

=Likewise, with ga'i, and ga'inai, where there has been little real usage.

We've had a confusing discussion out of all this, but I suspect the consensus
is to keep it as is.

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Nick Nicholas. Linguistics, University of Melbourne.   nsn@krang.vis.mu.oz.au
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