From LOJBAN%CUVMB.BITNET@UGA.CC.UGA.EDU Thu Jul 28 07:52:23 1994 Message-Id: <199407281152.AA28074@nfs1.digex.net> Date: Thu Jul 28 07:52:23 1994 Reply-To: Nick NICHOLAS Sender: Lojban list From: Nick NICHOLAS Subject: Re: ga'i[nai], ke'u[nai], va'i[nai] X-To: lojbab@ACCESS.DIGEX.NET X-Cc: Lojban Mailing List To: Bob LeChevalier In-Reply-To: <199407230314.8350@krang.vis.mu.OZ.AU> from "Logical Language Group" at Jul 22, 94 11:12:06 pm Status: RO Hu'tegh! nuq ja' Logical Language Group jay'? =.o'o vs, .o'onai change is sufficiently affecting of existing usage that it =will take substantial agreement from the community to reverse these. But if =people speak up, and someone is willing to check all texts up on the ftp site =(at minimum), Nora and I can agree to the change based on John's argument =that anger is a fundamental emotion. So speak up, people!! It's true about anger; but it's also true that most of the UI scales are aligned along clear positive/negative lines. Then again, .ii is an exception, and it makes sense for .o'o to be too. Then third, this is riding roughly over a very old part of our language. Then fourth, we've ridden harder over just about every other feature in the language. As an aggregate result, I don't care either way. ="ke'u" has a strong metaphor in "krefu" and hence should not change =I think "va'i" (clue-word valsi) is less aligned, and could change without =too much confusion, but again, someone needs to check for usage in published =text. Unlike ".o'onai", I think such usage is minimal, and Nora and I will =more readily agree with a milder consensus. I'll go with this: "in other words" is a more frequent thing to say, anyway. =Likewise, with ga'i, and ga'inai, where there has been little real usage. We've had a confusing discussion out of all this, but I suspect the consensus is to keep it as is. -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Nick Nicholas. Linguistics, University of Melbourne. nsn@krang.vis.mu.oz.au nsn@mundil.cs.mu.oz.au nick_nicholas@muwayf.unimelb.edu.au AND MOVING SOON TO: nnich@speech.language.unimelb.edu.au