Return-Path: <@FINHUTC.HUT.FI:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET> Received: from FINHUTC.hut.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0qO8jK-000022C; Wed, 13 Jul 94 21:08 EET DST Message-Id: Received: from FINHUTC.HUT.FI by FINHUTC.hut.fi (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4796; Wed, 13 Jul 94 21:06:58 EET Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin MAILER@SEARN) by FINHUTC.HUT.FI (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4792; Wed, 13 Jul 1994 21:06:57 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 0427; Wed, 13 Jul 1994 20:06:08 +0200 Date: Wed, 13 Jul 1994 22:35:46 +1000 Reply-To: Nick NICHOLAS Sender: Lojban list From: Nick NICHOLAS Subject: Re: New to Lojban X-To: Nick NICHOLAS X-cc: lojbab@ACCESS.DIGEX.NET, lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Veijo Vilva In-Reply-To: <199407131225.27386@krang.vis.mu.OZ.AU> from "Nick NICHOLAS" at Jul 13, 94 10:25:43 pm Content-Length: 713 Lines: 13 =telegraphese): I use an alexandrine (dedum dedum dedum, dedum dedum dedum), =which gives you four extra syllables per line As you'll have found if you actually counted the syllables in my translation, an alexandrine (in Esperanto, as opposed to English) actually goes dedum dedum dedumdee, dedum dedum dedumdee. Which makes it ideal for penultimate-stressed languages. In fact, I strongly believe that alexandrine, not pentameter, is *the* meter for Esperanto and Lojban --- whereas pentameter seems to fit Klingon as snugly as English (though Klingon pentameter is rather rough-and-ready.) (And Modern Greek only ever uses iambic heptameter. See the things you can learn by following Lojban list? ;) ). Nick.