Return-Path: <@FINHUTC.HUT.FI:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET> Received: from FINHUTC.hut.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0qUOU0-000023C; Sun, 31 Jul 94 03:10 EET DST Message-Id: Received: from FINHUTC.HUT.FI by FINHUTC.hut.fi (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 7922; Sun, 31 Jul 94 03:09:18 EET Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin MAILER@SEARN) by FINHUTC.HUT.FI (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7919; Sun, 31 Jul 1994 03:09:18 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 4331; Sun, 31 Jul 1994 02:08:23 +0200 Date: Sun, 31 Jul 1994 01:10:01 +0100 Reply-To: ucleaar Sender: Lojban list From: ucleaar Subject: Re: current cmene project X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Veijo Vilva In-Reply-To: (Your message of 30 Jul 94 14:16:00 EST.) Content-Length: 1080 Lines: 22 Bob Slaughter: > Naming is speaker-referent, not absolute. I'm sure the Native Americans had a > name for the swamp we later called Washington, D.C., and in some point in the > future, it may be called the Place-that-Was or some such by the > pos-nuclear-holocaust inhabitants of the area. (see the short story "By the > Waters of Babylon") Even now, some Americans have names for the place that are > not really suitable for a public forum. I quite agree, I can use any cmene I like to refer to Washington D.C. My point is that if someone is going to the trouble of thinking up a cmevla (cmene zei valsi) for Wash.D.C. then they might as well come up with a fuhivla (which is not a name, & whose meaning is absolute), since fuhivla are part of the language (or rather, I should say, part of the lexicon/grammar). What I am advocating is an innovation in the practise of Lojban, not in its principle. We already have gismu (or at least lujvo) for some countries, and fuhivla for other countries. I am merely extolling the virtues of extending the practise to cities. ---- And