Return-Path: <@FINHUTC.HUT.FI:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET> Received: from FINHUTC.hut.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0qSTQb-000023C; Mon, 25 Jul 94 20:03 EET DST Message-Id: Received: from FINHUTC.HUT.FI by FINHUTC.hut.fi (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 9824; Mon, 25 Jul 94 20:01:38 EET Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin MAILER@SEARN) by FINHUTC.HUT.FI (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 9820; Mon, 25 Jul 1994 20:01:38 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 9039; Mon, 25 Jul 1994 19:00:45 +0200 Date: Mon, 25 Jul 1994 13:00:28 -0400 Reply-To: Logical Language Group Sender: Lojban list From: Logical Language Group Subject: Re: ciska bai tu'a zo bai X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Veijo Vilva In-Reply-To: <199407251542.AA04718@nfs1.digex.net> from "jimc@MATH.UCLA.EDU" at Jul 25, 94 08:38:47 am Content-Length: 1106 Lines: 25 la kartyr. djim. cusku di'e > I would like to believe that ga'i means that the speaker feels that the > marked referent is of higher rank than the speaker (honorific), and > ga'inai means that the speaker feels superior (abasement of the > referent or elevation of the speaker). So, while in my recent posting > I said that the scale of ga'i should not be reversed, that judgement > was in fact reversed. Sorry for the flip-flop. Okay. But in fact "ga'i" means that the speaker is of higher rank than the referent, just as ".ui" means that the speaker feels happy about the referent. So "ga'i" is indeed hauteur. I like the suggestion of "abasement" for "ga'inai". > Dare I say it? I don't see ci'a - cnita (below) assigned in the > 6/13/94 cmavo list... Try "ni'a". It's a FAhA, like all directions, not a simple BAI. "ci'a" used to be for "ciska", but it was found that cu'u/cusku and fi'e/finti did the work better, since "le ciska" is not "the author" but "the scribe". -- John Cowan sharing account for now e'osai ko sarji la lojban.