Return-Path: <@FINHUTC.HUT.FI:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET> Received: from FINHUTC.hut.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0qNZak-000021C; Tue, 12 Jul 94 07:37 EET DST Message-Id: Received: from FINHUTC.HUT.FI by FINHUTC.hut.fi (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 7495; Tue, 12 Jul 94 07:36:13 EET Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin MAILER@SEARN) by FINHUTC.HUT.FI (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7494; Tue, 12 Jul 1994 07:36:13 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 0594; Tue, 12 Jul 1994 06:35:26 +0200 Date: Tue, 12 Jul 1994 00:36:44 -0400 Reply-To: Logical Language Group Sender: Lojban list From: Logical Language Group Subject: Re: a simple question... X-To: jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU X-cc: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Veijo Vilva Content-Length: 1597 Lines: 43 JL> Could you give an equally explicit rule for no'a and the vo'a, vo'e, ... JL> series? It would be nice that they all refer to the same level of selbri JL> and arguments, but from the last discussions it's not clear to me to which JL> selbri/arguments JL> they refer. Is it the first selbri up from where they appear, the main JL> selbri of the sentence, or something else? (I'd prefer first selbri up.) Let's try two sentences > le plise cu cpana le tanxe noi [] cpana le karce > The apple is on the box, which incidentally is on the car. At location [], ri = le plise ke'a = le tanxe vo'a = le plise vo'e = le tanxe noi cpana le karce no'a = cpana, thus giving access only to the same sumti given by vo'a no'axino = isn't formally defined - I would say cpana, but there is justifiable argument for tanxe, without which I don't think you can access specified description places of tanxe, if they were present. (e.g. "le tanxe be le plise be'o noi [] cpana" has no way that I see to access "le plise", unless we use "no'a" or some as-yet-undefined subscripting or something based on "ke'a" > le karce cu bevri le dasni be le [] mapku le zarci > The car carries the wearer of the hat to the store. At location [], ri = le karce (but if it were le karce pe la djan. or le la djan. karce, ri = la djan. and ra = le karce) ke'a is undefined vo'a = le karce vo'e = le dasni be le mapku vo'i = le zarci no'a = dasni no'axire = bevri This is not exactly the most tested feature of the language, so arguments for change can be considered (though we better hurry %^). lojbab