Message-Id: <199407281154.AA28182@nfs1.digex.net>
Reply-To: C.J.Fine@bradford.ac.uk
Date: Thu Jul 28 07:54:35 1994
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From: Colin Fine <C.J.Fine@bradford.ac.uk>
Subject:      Re: Object and Event
To: Bob LeChevalier <lojbab@access.digex.net>
Status: RO
X-From-Space-Date: Thu Jul 28 07:54:35 1994
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Bob Slaughter says:

>
> All objects are some form of event.  Nothing is permanent.  The distinction
> between permanence and transience is (minimally) an artifical distinction of
> English.  If the Big Bang predicated a cyclical universe that will collapse
> upon itself, even the universe is just an event in a larger frame of
 reference.
> I don't see the need to have object identifiers that distinguish this.  Event
> should be the "timeless" form of a sumti, and an object the condition at a
> single moment or during a specified period of time, with that time marked with
> a tense marker.

 do djica ja'o lenu jbobansku tai la'e de'u .i fi'i bob. ko gasnu lesego'i
sera'a ba'e do .ija'enaibo tu'a do piso'oroi ba'a se jimpe .i .ai mi'a
cajeba jbobansku sepi'o le fadni kamfrica be lo dacti bei lo fasnu

If you wish to use Lojban in this way, go ahead: you might even get
understood part of the time. The rest of us will go on making the
everyday distinction between objects and events which we all understand
(though there are undoubtedly borderline cases which give us pause).

        mi'e kolin