Return-Path: <@FINHUTC.HUT.FI:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET> Received: from FINHUTC.hut.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0qSZXC-000023C; Tue, 26 Jul 94 02:34 EET DST Message-Id: Received: from FINHUTC.HUT.FI by FINHUTC.hut.fi (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4491; Tue, 26 Jul 94 02:32:51 EET Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin MAILER@SEARN) by FINHUTC.HUT.FI (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4487; Tue, 26 Jul 1994 02:32:51 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 2331; Tue, 26 Jul 1994 01:31:59 +0200 Date: Mon, 25 Jul 1994 19:36:05 EDT Reply-To: jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU Sender: Lojban list From: Jorge Llambias Subject: Re: ciska bai tu'a zo bai X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Veijo Vilva Content-Length: 665 Lines: 18 la djan di'e mi spusku > > le jatna cu catlu le nu le bloti .uudai cu klama le xasloi > > The captain looks how the boat, poor thing, sinks. > > > > The empathy is of course with the captain, not with the boat. The boat is > > what inspires the pity, not who feels it. Should uu be stuck to the object > > of pity or to the one who feels pity, in the case of empathy? > > Presumably still to the object of pity. Better yet, use a "sei". Do you mean {se'i}? Or rather, {se'inai}, "other-oriented"? But that doesn't attribute the feeling to the captain. The only way to share the feeling of pity with the captain seems to be using {dai}. Jorge