Return-Path: <@FINHUTC.HUT.FI:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET> Received: from FINHUTC.hut.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0qSQwz-000023C; Mon, 25 Jul 94 17:24 EET DST Message-Id: Received: from FINHUTC.HUT.FI by FINHUTC.hut.fi (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 8048; Mon, 25 Jul 94 17:22:52 EET Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin MAILER@SEARN) by FINHUTC.HUT.FI (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8044; Mon, 25 Jul 1994 17:22:47 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 1783; Mon, 25 Jul 1994 16:21:48 +0200 Date: Mon, 25 Jul 1994 10:20:00 EDT Reply-To: protin@summit.novell.com Sender: Lojban list From: protin@SUMMIT.NOVELL.COM Subject: Re: ciska bai tu'a zo bai X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Veijo Vilva Content-Length: 1358 Lines: 37 [Taking an extreme position, as I do so frequently, though hopefully for some mutual benefit of at least humor :-)] > > Art, I admire your clear expression of attitude regarding "ga'i". But I > suspect that in trying to express individuality, or independence. that you > might prefer other attitudinals. > > e'e competence > i'inai privacy > o'enai distance > se'a self-sufficiency > se'i self-oriented > > ga'i is meant to explicitly imply a ranking of self above those to whom one > is expressing in some external framework (e.g. social rank), rather than the > internal one that merely "promotes the individual". > > lojbab > No, lojbab, I want "ga'i" because any social ranking of any merit will have me as peer or better of everyone else, by definition! Conversely, any ranking that would require "ga'inai" is obviously without merit and should not be recognized. While this may seem unduely extreme, I do give some weight to this argument in my daily life and do try to teach it to all humans as my part to make the world better. If everyone is ">=", peer-or-better, to everyone else, then we are all "=", peers. thank you, Arthur Protin Arthur Protin STANDARD DISCLAIMER: Any views expressed are strictly those of the author and are in no way indictative of his employer, customers, or this installation.