Return-Path: <@FINHUTC.HUT.FI:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET> Received: from FINHUTC.hut.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0qRXdr-000023C; Sat, 23 Jul 94 06:20 EET DST Message-Id: Received: from FINHUTC.HUT.FI by FINHUTC.hut.fi (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 5682; Sat, 23 Jul 94 06:19:25 EET Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin MAILER@SEARN) by FINHUTC.HUT.FI (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5679; Sat, 23 Jul 1994 06:19:25 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 8080; Sat, 23 Jul 1994 05:18:33 +0200 Date: Fri, 22 Jul 1994 23:19:29 -0400 Reply-To: Logical Language Group Sender: Lojban list From: Logical Language Group Subject: Re: ciska bai tu'a zo bai X-To: protin@summit.novell.com X-cc: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Veijo Vilva Content-Length: 485 Lines: 15 Art, I admire your clear expression of attitude regarding "ga'i". But I suspect that in trying to express individuality, or independence. that you might prefer other attitudinals. e'e competence i'inai privacy o'enai distance se'a self-sufficiency se'i self-oriented ga'i is meant to explicitly imply a ranking of self above those to whom one is expressing in some external framework (e.g. social rank), rather than the internal one that merely "promotes the individual". lojbab