Return-Path: <@FINHUTC.HUT.FI:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET> Received: from FINHUTC.hut.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0qU9Il-000023C; Sat, 30 Jul 94 10:57 EET DST Message-Id: Received: from FINHUTC.HUT.FI by FINHUTC.hut.fi (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4637; Sat, 30 Jul 94 10:56:39 EET Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin MAILER@SEARN) by FINHUTC.HUT.FI (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4635; Sat, 30 Jul 1994 10:56:39 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 3718; Sat, 30 Jul 1994 09:55:46 +0200 Date: Sat, 30 Jul 1994 08:57:23 +0100 Reply-To: ucleaar Sender: Lojban list From: ucleaar Subject: current cmene project X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Veijo Vilva Content-Length: 470 Lines: 10 As I understand things, "la beidjin" (for example) refers to something named by the form "beidjin" (where the namer is the speaker). It would seem to me that if we want a word for (in this case) the capital of the Republic of China, we want something that instead means "x such that x is Beijing", *NOT* "x such that I am calling x 'beidjin'". If this is right, then Lojban Central should be seeking fuhivla, not cmene, for the various states of the USA, etc. ---- And