Return-Path: <@FINHUTC.HUT.FI:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET> Received: from FINHUTC.hut.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0qSTKf-000023C; Mon, 25 Jul 94 19:56 EET DST Message-Id: Received: from FINHUTC.HUT.FI by FINHUTC.hut.fi (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 9762; Mon, 25 Jul 94 19:55:30 EET Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin MAILER@SEARN) by FINHUTC.HUT.FI (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 9759; Mon, 25 Jul 1994 19:55:28 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 8772; Mon, 25 Jul 1994 18:54:30 +0200 Date: Mon, 25 Jul 1994 12:56:14 -0400 Reply-To: Logical Language Group Sender: Lojban list From: Logical Language Group Subject: Re: ciska bai tu'a zo bai X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Veijo Vilva In-Reply-To: <199407251541.AA04616@nfs1.digex.net> from "Jorge Llambias" at Jul 25, 94 11:38:33 am Content-Length: 1126 Lines: 34 la xorxes. cusku di'e > > le bloti .uudai klama le xasloi > > The boat [Pity!] [empathy] goes-to the ocean:floor > > The boat, poor thing, sank. > > (Missing a cu there) Is the boat feeling pity? Right you are, on both counts. This one works better without the "dai", actually; the speaker feels pity toward the boat. > How about: > > le jatna cu catlu le nu le bloti .uudai cu klama le xasloi > The captain looks how the boat, poor thing, sinks. > > The empathy is of course with the captain, not with the boat. The boat is > what inspires the pity, not who feels it. Should uu be stuck to the object > of pity or to the one who feels pity, in the case of empathy? Presumably still to the object of pity. Better yet, use a "sei". > I don't think uu is an easy emotion to attribute to inanimate objects. > ui might be easier: > > le bloti cu klama uidai > The boat goes, happy! Better, but still not quite on. We'll {ga'icu'i} get it yet. -- John Cowan sharing account for now e'osai ko sarji la lojban.