Return-Path: <@FINHUTC.HUT.FI:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET> Received: from FINHUTC.hut.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0qUHwT-000023C; Sat, 30 Jul 94 20:11 EET DST Message-Id: Received: from FINHUTC.HUT.FI by FINHUTC.hut.fi (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 6262; Sat, 30 Jul 94 20:10:10 EET Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin MAILER@SEARN) by FINHUTC.HUT.FI (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6259; Sat, 30 Jul 1994 20:10:09 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 9238; Sat, 30 Jul 1994 19:09:16 +0200 Date: Sat, 30 Jul 1994 13:10:42 EDT Reply-To: Jorge Llambias Sender: Lojban list From: Jorge Llambias Subject: Re: current cmene project X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Veijo Vilva Content-Length: 2933 Lines: 102 la and cusku di'e > As I understand things, "la beidjin" (for example) refers to something > named by the form "beidjin" (where the namer is the speaker). It would > seem to me that if we want a word for (in this case) the capital of > the Republic of China, we want something that instead means "x such > that x is Beijing", *NOT* "x such that I am calling x 'beidjin'". If > this is right, then Lojban Central should be seeking fuhivla, not > cmene, for the various states of the USA, etc. I don't see why should there be a difference in naming cities or people. la beidjin is the name of an individual, not a generic name. A fuhivla like {tcadrbeidjinu} would mean something like "x1 is a Beijing City". Here's a list of Latin American countries and capital cities (plus Sao Paulo and Rio, that are not capitals but belong there anyway). ketco ===== Argentina la arxentinas Buenos Aires la buenosaires Bolivia la bolivias La Paz la pas Brasil la brazIl Brasilia la brazilias Sao Paulo la saopaulos Rio de Janeiro la riodejaneiros; la ri,os Colombia la kolombias Bogota' la bogotAs Chile la tciles Santiago la santiagos Ecuador la ekuadOr Quito la kitos French Guiana la fraso gianas (?) Cayenne la kaIEn Guyana la guianas Georgetown la djordjtaun Paraguay la paragUAIs Asuncio'n la asunsIOn Peru' la perUs Lima la limas Suriname la sUrinam Paramaribo la paramaribos Uruguay la urugUAIs Montevideo la montevideos Venezuela la venesuelas Caracas la karakas snanu bemro =========== Belize la beliz Belize City la tcadu beliz Costa Rica la kostarrikas San Jose' la sanxosEs Cuba la kubas La Habana la abanas El Salvador la elsalvadOr San Salvador la sansalvadOr Guatemala la guatemAl (?) Guatemala la guatemales (?) la guatemalaus (?) la guatemanlas (?) Honduras la onduras Tegucigalpa la tegusigalpas Me'xico la mExikos Ciudad de Me'xico la tcadu mExikos; la siudademExikos Nicaragua la nikaraguas Managua la managuas Panama' la panamAs Panama' la panamAs Puerto Rico la puertorrikos San Juan la sanxUAn There are a few missing from the Caribean, but I think I covered at least all the Spanish speaking ones. Please add if you see some missing. Jorge