Return-Path: <@FINHUTC.HUT.FI:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET> Received: from FINHUTC.hut.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0qNCzx-000021C; Mon, 11 Jul 94 07:29 EET DST Message-Id: Received: from FINHUTC.HUT.FI by FINHUTC.hut.fi (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 6234; Mon, 11 Jul 94 07:28:41 EET Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin MAILER@SEARN) by FINHUTC.HUT.FI (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6229; Mon, 11 Jul 1994 07:28:41 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 4213; Mon, 11 Jul 1994 06:27:55 +0200 Date: Mon, 11 Jul 1994 00:28:58 -0400 Reply-To: Logical Language Group Sender: Lojban list From: Logical Language Group Subject: Re: Problem perhaps X-To: nsn@vis.mu.oz.au X-cc: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Veijo Vilva Content-Length: 958 Lines: 18 NN> (We still have no good anaphoric device for something massively embedded NN> like {lenu zo no'a ka'e se pilno}. Don't think we'll get one in a hurry NN> either. Could you explain this a little better? I don't see what is massively embedded in this example. I presume it may depend on from where you want to refer to it. If within the same (incomplete) sumti, I guess no'a will work as Iain suggests (I suspect that this was what I was half-remebering. I need to add a note to the cmavo list about reflexive use of no'a (and John Cowan needs it in his paper if it isn't already). If the reference is from a later sumti, I guess after the keikei in Iain's example, you just use a "ri" appropriately subscriopted if need be. O h I guess that was your example - let me quote it here for other readers who don't have the message handy: .i fau leda'i nu ma'a na'eca'a tugni lenu zo no'a ka'e se pilno la'edi'u keikei ma'a .e'u tugni ledei nu se pilno