Return-Path: <@FINHUTC.HUT.FI:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET> Received: from FINHUTC.hut.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0qTV5N-000023C; Thu, 28 Jul 94 16:01 EET DST Message-Id: Received: from FINHUTC.HUT.FI by FINHUTC.hut.fi (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 3157; Thu, 28 Jul 94 16:00:04 EET Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin MAILER@SEARN) by FINHUTC.HUT.FI (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 3156; Thu, 28 Jul 1994 16:00:00 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 1082; Thu, 28 Jul 1994 14:59:02 +0200 Date: Thu, 28 Jul 1994 22:51:32 +1000 Reply-To: Nick NICHOLAS Sender: Lojban list From: Nick NICHOLAS Subject: Re: Lojbanized German place names X-To: ucleaar@UCL.AC.UK X-cc: Lojban Mailing List To: Veijo Vilva In-Reply-To: <199407272145.25825@krang.vis.mu.OZ.AU> from "ucleaar" at Jul 27, 94 10:40:28 pm Content-Length: 1417 Lines: 30 Hu'tegh! nuq ja' ucleaar jay'? =Could you explain the argument that roundedness does not count? =Couldn't the Lojban i/u & e/o distinction be one of roundedness =rather than backness? Oh, I dunno, And... I have these horror visions of Lojbanists producing back unrounded vowels (which sound hideous enough in British and American English --- we Ozzies have the sense to pronounce /u/ in cup as a short version of /a/ in carp --- both as low centrals, rather than unrounded back vowels, mid-open and open resp. One more reason why this is God's own country! zo'osai) =More generally, I wd favour a Lojbanization of names that respects =*spelling* over pronunciation. Or at least spelling shd be given =equal weight. A view the linguistic orthodoxy would scoff at, a view that goes against our notions of kulnu nutli and phonetic transcription... but if I'm confronted with forms like xamburk., I'd tend to agree with And on this one... Not that I can see it happening --- it's much more difficult to decide on a consistent compromise between pronunciation and spelling, than to just go with the pronunciation. -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Nick Nicholas. Linguistics, University of Melbourne. nsn@krang.vis.mu.oz.au nsn@mundil.cs.mu.oz.au nick_nicholas@muwayf.unimelb.edu.au AND MOVING SOON TO: nnich@speech.language.unimelb.edu.au