Return-Path: <@FINHUTC.HUT.FI:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET> Received: from FINHUTC.hut.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0qUxzk-000023C; Mon, 1 Aug 94 17:05 EET DST Message-Id: Received: from FINHUTC.HUT.FI by FINHUTC.hut.fi (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 7618; Mon, 01 Aug 94 17:04:29 EET Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin MAILER@SEARN) by FINHUTC.HUT.FI (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7616; Mon, 1 Aug 1994 17:04:28 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 4538; Mon, 1 Aug 1994 16:01:38 +0200 Date: Mon, 1 Aug 1994 10:01:30 -0400 Reply-To: Logical Language Group Sender: Lojban list From: Logical Language Group Subject: Re: ga'i[nai] X-cc: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Veijo Vilva In-Reply-To: <199407300303.AA24319@access1.digex.net> from "Logical Language Group" at Jul 29, 94 11:03:50 pm Content-Length: 1226 Lines: 33 mi pu cusku di'e >> One >> deficiency of the current system is that there is no way of indicating >> the relative ranks of two things/persons neither of whom is the speaker: >> the system cannot be manipulated into referring to, say, "Your Majesty's >> hovel", indicating that the house's rank is much lower than the >> listener's. la lojbab. cusku di'e > I disagree. With 7 levels, more or less, of honorific, there should be > plenty of room. How about "ledo ga'inaicai zdaniga'icai" which puts the > Emperor many levels above you and his house an equal number of levels > below you. Yes, but this is still speaker-centered. There is no way to express the relationship between the Emperor and his hovel without reference to oneself. The above form works if you are of middle rank; if you are Pooh-Bah, Lord High Everything Else, you need to say: le doga'inairu'e zdani ga'icai whereas if you are a mere Second Trombone, you must say: le doga'inaicai zdani ga'iru'e (Nit: "zdaniga'icai" in your example is a le'avla: you need to insert a space or mark stress.) -- John Cowan sharing account for now e'osai ko sarji la lojban.