Received: from access1.digex.net by nfs1.digex.net with SMTP id AA00190 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for ); Tue, 2 Aug 1994 04:59:57 -0400 Received: by access1.digex.net id AA06427 (5.67b8/IDA-1.5 for lojbab); Tue, 2 Aug 1994 04:59:56 -0400 Date: Tue, 2 Aug 1994 04:59:56 -0400 From: Logical Language Group Message-Id: <199408020859.AA06427@access1.digex.net> To: lojbab@access.digex.net Subject: Re: gradu is broken Status: RO X-From-Space-Date: Tue Aug 2 04:59:58 1994 X-From-Space-Address: lojbab LL> I went back to the original article by Scott Layson (TL3/1:70), wherein LL> the current measurement place structures were proposed, and noted that LL> he made a suggestion which didn't get taken up into Lojban: an x4 place LL> for "rupnu", reflecting the date as of which the monetary unit is LL> meaningful. We have a BAI member for dates. LL> So there is some kind of confusion that needs straightening out. LL> Changing "gradu"'s place structure will allow it to be used to make LL> new units of measurement, but will eliminate the ability to talk >about< LL> units of measurement. Remembering my earlier comment - place structures and early proposed lujvo did NOT consider dikyjvo as a criterion - my quicky reading on this problem is that all proposed unit words ending in "rau" need to either have a second form for measurement "raulai", or we need to presume that the former form is an abrreviation for the latter for dikyjvo purposes. The place structure for "klani" does match that of the measurement words, with a scale place thrown in that is filled by the "-rau" that precedes it. Thus I favor (subject to inevotable argument) the status quo and a conventional solution. lojbab