Return-Path: <@FINHUTC.HUT.FI:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET> Received: from FINHUTC.hut.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0qlrr7-00005LC; Sat, 17 Sep 94 07:58 EET DST Message-Id: Received: from FINHUTC.HUT.FI by FINHUTC.hut.fi (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2854; Sat, 17 Sep 94 07:57:06 EET Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin MAILER@SEARN) by FINHUTC.HUT.FI (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2852; Sat, 17 Sep 1994 07:57:05 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 1074; Sat, 17 Sep 1994 06:55:54 +0200 Date: Sat, 17 Sep 1994 00:48:35 -0400 Reply-To: Logical Language Group Sender: Lojban list From: Logical Language Group Subject: Re: TECH: Any old thing whatsoever (mi nitcu lo tanxe) X-To: cbogart@CSN.ORG X-cc: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Veijo Vilva Content-Length: 825 Lines: 23 Not having read Quine (and not being convoinced that I would understand it if I did - if I had to be a logician to lead this project, I would resign yesterday %^) I beleive that the distinction is mi djica lo bloti poi falnu se catke I want a boat which is sail-pushed (I hope that will do for sloop in this example) which does not claim that such a boat exists and (pa) da poi bloti gi'e falnu se catke zo'u: mi djica da There exists 1 thing that is a boat and sail-pushed such that: I want it. which claims that such a boat exists AND that it is a specific boat. (I left the "pa" out from before "lo bloti" in the firts example, if singular is necessarily explicit in "a boat". Lojban does not require singular/plural distinction if it is not important. lojbab