Return-Path: <@FINHUTC.HUT.FI:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET> Received: from FINHUTC.hut.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0qmS29-00005LC; Sun, 18 Sep 94 22:36 EET DST Message-Id: Received: from FINHUTC.HUT.FI by FINHUTC.hut.fi (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2705; Sun, 18 Sep 94 22:34:55 EET Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin MAILER@SEARN) by FINHUTC.HUT.FI (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2704; Sun, 18 Sep 1994 22:34:55 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 6555; Sun, 18 Sep 1994 21:33:45 +0200 Date: Sun, 18 Sep 1994 15:37:20 EDT Reply-To: jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU Sender: Lojban list From: Jorge Llambias Subject: Re: TECH: RE: do djica loi ckafi je'i tcati X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Veijo Vilva Content-Length: 831 Lines: 20 > I think that what is really needed by the speaker is a certain state > of affairs: I need that (there be a box big enough to hold my house > and I have it). Notice that this statement is not about any > particular box, nor does it presuppose the existence of a suitable > box. The form of the sentence in Loglan or Lojban would be such that > it would be clear that it was unreasonable to ask "which box?", which > is not true if the surface form of the English is followed. > > --Randall Holmes Totally agree. I would also like to say it in Lojban as simply as I can in English. Of course I can make the long claim: {mi nitcu le nu mi ponse lo tanxe} Is there some way to make it shorter? e.g. {mi nitcu xe'e tanxe} (BTW, it is hard to ask "which box?" in Lojban.) Jorge