Return-Path: <@FINHUTC.HUT.FI:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET> Received: from FINHUTC.hut.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0qoXfU-00001DC; Sat, 24 Sep 94 17:01 EET DST Message-Id: Received: from FINHUTC.HUT.FI by FINHUTC.hut.fi (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 7948; Sat, 24 Sep 94 17:00:08 EET Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin MAILER@SEARN) by FINHUTC.HUT.FI (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7945; Sat, 24 Sep 1994 17:00:08 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 2674; Sat, 24 Sep 1994 15:58:55 +0200 Date: Sat, 24 Sep 1994 14:47:55 +0100 Reply-To: ucleaar Sender: Lojban list From: ucleaar Subject: query about 'ka' X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Veijo Vilva Content-Length: 918 Lines: 26 I find myself rather confused about 'ka'. If we look at duhu or nu, we find that the following pair mean the same: le nu/duhu mi nelci do le nu/duhu do se nelci me i.e. the event of me liking you/you being liked by me, or the proposition that I like you or that you are liked by me. But it seems to me that "the property of me liking you" and "the property of you being liked by me" don't make sense, and instead I would want to express these different meanings: the property of liking you (the property of being the liker of you) the property of being liked by me But to express these, it seems that 'ka' would have to mark a sumti rather than a bridi, as in: le ka nelci do le ka se nelci mi or le ka le nelci do kei le ka le se nelci mi kei That is, to me it seems that whereas nu/duhu express aspects of a bridi, ka expresses an aspect of a sumti. Could someone please explain... ---- And