Return-Path: <@FINHUTC.HUT.FI:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET> Received: from FINHUTC.hut.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0qm7al-00005LC; Sun, 18 Sep 94 00:46 EET DST Message-Id: Received: from FINHUTC.HUT.FI by FINHUTC.hut.fi (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 7477; Sun, 18 Sep 94 00:45:14 EET Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin MAILER@SEARN) by FINHUTC.HUT.FI (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 7474; Sun, 18 Sep 1994 00:45:14 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 8803; Sat, 17 Sep 1994 23:44:03 +0200 Date: Sat, 17 Sep 1994 17:46:59 EDT Reply-To: jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU Sender: Lojban list From: Jorge Llambias Subject: Re: any and all X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Veijo Vilva Content-Length: 737 Lines: 19 la veion cusku di'e > I think a solution which Lojbab suggested would work. When I'm > saying 'I need a(ny) box' or 'I need (any) two boxes' what I'm > really saying is that I need a set with a certain number of > members having certain properties. That can be simply expressed > in Lojban using {mei}: > > mi nitcu lo tanxe pamei/remei > I need what amounts to a single box/ a pair of boxes {mi nitcu lo tanxe pamei} means practically the same thing as {mi nitcu pa tanxe}. Is there an object, call it {pa tanxe}, call it {lo tanxe pamei}, that is related to {mi} by the relationship {nitcu}? If there is exactly one such object, then the sentences are true, but that is not what "I need any box" means. Jorge