Return-Path: <@FINHUTC.HUT.FI:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET> Received: from FINHUTC.hut.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0qmNuM-00005LC; Sun, 18 Sep 94 18:12 EET DST Message-Id: Received: from FINHUTC.HUT.FI by FINHUTC.hut.fi (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 1266; Sun, 18 Sep 94 18:10:35 EET Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin MAILER@SEARN) by FINHUTC.HUT.FI (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1265; Sun, 18 Sep 1994 18:10:35 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 1968; Sun, 18 Sep 1994 17:09:23 +0200 Date: Sun, 18 Sep 1994 09:13:32 -0600 Reply-To: Randall Holmes Sender: Lojban list From: Randall Holmes Subject: Massification and Boxes/Taxis X-To: LOJBAN%CUVMB.BITNET@idbsu.idbsu.edu To: Veijo Vilva Content-Length: 460 Lines: 9 If you try using massification, you are still faced with the problem that "I want a box" does not require as part of its truth conditions that there be any boxes whatsoever; translating it as "I want a piece of Mr. Box" doesn't work if there are no such pieces!!! Consider as a test case "I want a unicorn"; this is a statement which _can_ be true, and is clearly not about any piece of the mass of unicorns. --Randall Holmes