Message-Id: <m0qmDug-00005LC@xiron.pc.helsinki.fi>
Date:         Sun, 18 Sep 1994 00:28:59 -0400
Reply-To:     Logical Language Group <lojbab@ACCESS.DIGEX.NET>
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From:         Logical Language Group <lojbab@ACCESS.DIGEX.NET>
Subject:      Hi, pc
To:           Veijo Vilva <veion@XIRON.PC.HELSINKI.FI>
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Since he has finally joined Lojban List and contributed (thereby identifying
himself:

Let me welcome John Parks-Clifford (now John Clifford) aka "pc" to Lojban List.

pc is Vice President and co-founder of LLG.
He is former President of The Loglan Institute, Inc., former editor of
'The Loglanist', the journal of that organization, and the chief logician
of the Loglan Project from 1975 on (though understandably Randall Holmes
shares that claim now having 'stepped into the role' left after pc left TLI.

It is arguable that prior to Lojban, pc and James Cooke Brown WERE the Loglan
Project, and certainly were 'Loglan Central', although pc and I basically have
taken the position that the entire community was what made Loglan what it
was/is.

I would not have started the Lojban redesign without pc's technical expertise
in the language, and in logic (the current argument should show just how
lacking I am in the logical arena), and he has contributed to almost every
major technical and design decision in the project.  In particular, he
is principally responsible for two of the most major enahncements Lojban
has over TLI Loglan - our detailed tense system and our handling of negation.

We owe pc a LOT of thanks.


(Now don't flood him with tons of new technical issues - he is still
plowing through the 500K of discussion of ZAhO from the past year, as well as
a couiple of other issues, and will probably be involved when we are ready to
take up Jorge/Veijo's proposals regarding center-embedding again.  he is also
new to the net, and we can't count on him having the infinite time we wish
he had to deal with some of the open Lojban questions.

On the other hand, expect ME to go out on fewer limbs in the area of logical
expression in Lojban, like I have in the past few days.  This is probbaly
for the better, since I don't always know what I am talking about, in spite
of having that mabla label of "Lojban Central", and because I really oughta
be spending more time on the dictionarya nd not trying to analyze unaanalyzable
logic questions %^)

lojbab