Return-Path: <@FINHUTC.HUT.FI:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET> Received: from FINHUTC.hut.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0qm6R3-00005LC; Sat, 17 Sep 94 23:32 EET DST Message-Id: Received: from FINHUTC.HUT.FI by FINHUTC.hut.fi (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 6991; Sat, 17 Sep 94 23:31:11 EET Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin MAILER@SEARN) by FINHUTC.HUT.FI (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6989; Sat, 17 Sep 1994 23:31:10 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 6940; Sat, 17 Sep 1994 22:29:59 +0200 Date: Sat, 17 Sep 1994 16:31:55 EDT Reply-To: jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU Sender: Lojban list From: Jorge Llambias Subject: Re: needing books X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Veijo Vilva Content-Length: 1569 Lines: 61 la and reisku di'e > How do you distinguish, (preferably in non-pedantic usage): > > I need there to be a specific book such that I have it. mi nitcu le nu da poi cukta zo'u mi ponse da Non-pedantic: mi nitcu le nu mi ponse lo cukta > There is a specific book such that I need to have it. da poi cukta zo'u mi nitcu le nu mi ponse da As non-pedantic as I can: lo cukta zo'u mi nitcu le nu mi ponse ra Or, (but lojbab disagrees): mi nitcu lo cukta > Jorge: > > The difference between > > do kakne le nu cuxna ro selska > > You can choose every colour. > > and > > do kakne le nu cuxna paxe'e selska > > You can choose any one colour. > > is that in the first one you allow to choose more than one colour, > > while in the second one you don't. > > Does this have something to do with the scope of quantifiers with > respect to modal operators? > > You can choose every colour: > It is possible that for every x, x a colour, you choose x > > You can choose any one colour > For every x, x a colour, it is possible that x is the one > colour you choose. I think it does have a lot to do, but I can't write your second phrase in Lojban using {kakne}. > cf. > Everyone could marry me. > It is possible that everyone marries me > Anyone could marry me. > For everyone it is possible that they marry me/ > For everyone it is possible that they be my one spouse > > Or am I treeing up the wrong bark? I think it's the right bark, keep treeing that it's helping a lot. Jorge