Return-Path: <@FINHUTC.HUT.FI:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET> Received: from FINHUTC.hut.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0qlmMv-00005LC; Sat, 17 Sep 94 02:07 EET DST Message-Id: Received: from FINHUTC.HUT.FI by FINHUTC.hut.fi (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 0257; Sat, 17 Sep 94 02:05:33 EET Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin MAILER@SEARN) by FINHUTC.HUT.FI (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 0254; Sat, 17 Sep 1994 02:05:32 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 1970; Sat, 17 Sep 1994 01:04:19 +0200 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 1994 19:07:20 EDT Reply-To: jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU Sender: Lojban list From: Jorge Llambias Subject: Re: do djica loi ckafi je'i tcati X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Veijo Vilva Content-Length: 901 Lines: 28 la djer cusku di'e > I rather liked my first suggestion, as corrected by jorge: > > mi nitcu le su'u me le taxpu'i me'u da kei > I want the in-mind abstracton about boxing things. I think I muddled things more if this comes out of my comment. {me le taxpu'i} is something specific to someone who puts thing in boxes. I think {mi nitcu le su'u taxpu'i [da]} is approximately what you want "I need the abstraction of boxing something" But I would use simply {nu}: {mi nitcu le nu taxpu'i da} "I need to box something". This is sidestepping the issue, though. I still would like to say "I need a box" without having to specify what I need it for. > And now I am beginning to be haunted by a Beatles lyric: > "Something in the way she walks.." > How do you say that "something" in lojban when you don't really want it > instantiated to anything known? I like lojbab's {le su'u ko'a cadzu}. Jorge