Return-Path: <@FINHUTC.HUT.FI:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET> Received: from FINHUTC.hut.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0qkjVT-00005XC; Wed, 14 Sep 94 04:51 EET DST Message-Id: Received: from FINHUTC.HUT.FI by FINHUTC.hut.fi (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4142; Wed, 14 Sep 94 04:50:02 EET Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin MAILER@SEARN) by FINHUTC.HUT.FI (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4138; Wed, 14 Sep 1994 04:50:01 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 6126; Wed, 14 Sep 1994 03:48:51 +0200 Date: Tue, 13 Sep 1994 21:49:48 -0400 Reply-To: "Mark E. Shoulson" Sender: Lojban list From: "Mark E. Shoulson" Subject: Re: TECH: RE: do djica loi ckafi je'i tcati X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Veijo Vilva In-Reply-To: <199409132149.RAA11496@cs.columbia.edu> (message from Chris Bogart on Tue, 13 Sep 1994 15:34:21 -0600) Content-Length: 1097 Lines: 21 >Date: Tue, 13 Sep 1994 15:34:21 -0600 >From: Chris Bogart >How to say "I need a box [any-box-whatever]" has been bugging me all day. >If "lo tanxe" is the sumti, it is inherently quantified as "there exists >some thing-which-is-a-box", which isn't what we want, since it's more of a >hypothetical box. The kind of box I need may not even exist! I recall we went through this discussion once before; in fact it was spurred on by a similar discussion regarding TLI Loglan regarding taxis (mentioned by Randall Holmes here, I see). The answer there (our analogous version of JCB's I think, and I liked it) was "loi tanxe". This works. I need [some part of] the mass of things that are boxes. Possibly "lei tanxe" if you want to admit something that isn't a box but turns out to be what I meant anyway. I don't think we need a new quantifier for this one; massification works (unless massification was rethought and redefined since the last time this question came through and I missed it). I'll try to find quotes from the last time. ~mark