Return-Path: <@FINHUTC.HUT.FI:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET> Received: from FINHUTC.hut.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0ql99Z-00005LC; Thu, 15 Sep 94 08:14 EET DST Message-Id: Received: from FINHUTC.HUT.FI by FINHUTC.hut.fi (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 1887; Thu, 15 Sep 94 08:13:09 EET Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin MAILER@SEARN) by FINHUTC.HUT.FI (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 1883; Thu, 15 Sep 1994 08:13:09 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 2941; Thu, 15 Sep 1994 07:11:57 +0200 Date: Thu, 15 Sep 1994 01:12:30 -0400 Reply-To: Logical Language Group Sender: Lojban list From: Logical Language Group Subject: Re: TECH: RE: do djica loi ckafi je'i tcati X-To: jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU X-cc: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Veijo Vilva Content-Length: 687 Lines: 18 I don't see the problem. If you want exactly one box, you want 'pa lo tanxe' or 'pa tanxe'. That means 'any box' unless I have missed the point of this discussion. But if what you want is something to put things in, asking for loi tanxe is fine - you want some of the mass of objects that evidence the properties of boxness. Any individual box is a manifestation of 'BOX' the concept. I think that pisu'e loi tanxe might be interpetable as no more than the minimum necessary amount of the mass of boxness to be recognizably part of the mass. You might also get somewhere with tanxe pamei. But since I don't understand the problem, I'm not sure how to phrase the solution. lojbab