Return-Path: <@FINHUTC.HUT.FI:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET> Received: from FINHUTC.hut.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0qtBM8-00001dC; Fri, 7 Oct 94 11:12 EET Message-Id: Received: from FINHUTC.HUT.FI by FINHUTC.hut.fi (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 2834; Fri, 07 Oct 94 11:12:58 EET Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin MAILER@SEARN) by FINHUTC.HUT.FI (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 2832; Fri, 7 Oct 1994 11:12:53 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 4559; Fri, 7 Oct 1994 10:08:50 +0100 Date: Fri, 7 Oct 1994 03:19:46 -0400 Reply-To: Logical Language Group Sender: Lojban list From: Logical Language Group Subject: Re: A couple of questions X-To: i.alexander.bra0125@oasis.icl.co.uk X-cc: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Veijo Vilva Content-Length: 698 Lines: 18 IA>Hypothetical objects: IA> e.g. the long-sought unicorn, which is {lo [da'i] pavyseljirna}. IA>The {da'i} is recommended for clarity, but we often live without it. IA> IA>I may have forgotten some of the problem cases, but my instinct is IA>that they will all be soluble. But if this is "da poi pavyseljirna" you are not being hypothetical at all you are CLAIMING existence: da zo'u da pavyseljirna. I can accept discursive marking with "da'i" in non-logical discussions, but da'i seems incompatible with 'the present universe of discourse', it specifically implies to me that we are moving OUT of said universe. At which point "da poi pavyseljirna" is highly questionable to me. lojbab