Return-Path: <@FINHUTC.HUT.FI:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET> Received: from FINHUTC.hut.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0qt33x-00005YC; Fri, 7 Oct 94 02:21 EET Message-Id: Received: from FINHUTC.HUT.FI by FINHUTC.hut.fi (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 8286; Fri, 07 Oct 94 02:21:41 EET Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin MAILER@SEARN) by FINHUTC.HUT.FI (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 8283; Fri, 7 Oct 1994 02:21:39 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 7248; Fri, 7 Oct 1994 01:18:39 +0100 Date: Thu, 6 Oct 1994 20:13:50 EDT Reply-To: Jorge Llambias Sender: Lojban list From: Jorge Llambias Subject: Re: A couple of questions X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Veijo Vilva Content-Length: 651 Lines: 20 And: > Iain (replying to Lojbab): > > (1) {lo mlatu je nanmu cu blanu} > > - I can't think of any interpretation of (1) > > which doesn't imply existence. > > Without wanting to disagree with you, I can think of a possibly > valid interpretation that doesn't imply existence. > "ro mlatu je nanmu cu blanu" doesn't imply existence, & we > can gloss this as "100% of catmen are blue". Agreed. > We might therefore take "lo mlatu je nanmu cu blanu" to mean > "more than 0% of catmen are blue", again not implying existence. But {lo} has an "at least one" quantifier, not "at least some %". Otherwise, su'o doesn't work as the negation of ro. Jorge