Return-Path: <@FINHUTC.HUT.FI:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET> Received: from FINHUTC.hut.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0r1MGo-00006yC; Sun, 30 Oct 94 00:29 EET Message-Id: Received: from FINHUTC.HUT.FI by FINHUTC.hut.fi (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 6834; Sun, 30 Oct 94 00:29:17 EET Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin MAILER@SEARN) by FINHUTC.HUT.FI (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6832; Sun, 30 Oct 1994 00:29:17 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 3776; Sat, 29 Oct 1994 23:26:14 +0100 Date: Sat, 29 Oct 1994 15:26:52 -0700 Reply-To: "John E. Clifford" Sender: Lojban list From: "John E. Clifford" Subject: some definitions X-To: lojban list To: Veijo Vilva Content-Length: 2524 Lines: 39 I am having trouble following parts of the discussions here because I do not understand some words the ways they are being used. Since the issues we are concerned with are logical, I find it handy to get definitions in terms of the basics of logic: truth conditions or validated inferences. Anyhow, here are a few terms as I use them (standard stuff, I think) and a few requests for help with some other terms. OPAQUE (referentially opaque context) Terms which occur in opaque contexts cannot be exported to surrounding transparent contexts, cannot be generalized by nor used to instantiate external quantifiers, doe not replace under external identitities, if bound need not instantiate to external objects. (I admit that this collapses several notions into one, but most logicians hold that they go together.) EXTENSIONAL The truth of every complex is a direct function of the truth of its constituents. Hence, referring expressions refer to and quantifiers range over the established domain only. Extensional contexts are, therefore, transparent (not opaque). INTENSIONAL Not extensional, for short: the truth of some complexes are not determmined by the truth of their components. Intensional contexts may be opaque and, so, most (I would say "all") must be treated as such. (The exact line between extensional and intensional is controversial and system-bound. For example, modal and tense systems can be worked either way, with no significant _formal_ difference). INTENTIONAL. Having to do with what an agent intends: purpose, goal, motive, etc. This somewhat elastic, since objective needs are sometimes included along with subjective wants. These are always intensional. I hope that helps. Now to help me, could someone please explain what truth conditions or inferences are involved in "opaque" as a property of sumti(? descriptors? it is not clear what is being classified here). In the same discussion -- and maybe more critically -- could someone explain "specific" and "definite". These two words are used interchangably by some groups and by others to make any number of distinctions (often one group uses one to make the distinction another makes with the other), what exactly is going on here. The discussion is not helped by the fact that some of the examples of apparently non-controversial cases seem just wrong: _lo_brida_ keeps appearing as a general term rather than a singular one, if translation and inferences are any guide. pc>|83 Trying to be the logical brake on the wheel of change