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Date:         Fri, 28 Oct 1994 10:21:35 MET
Reply-To:     Goran Topic <topic@MATH.HR>
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From:         Goran Topic <topic@MATH.HR>
Subject:      any, opaque, transparent, xe'e...
To:           Veijo Vilva <veion@XIRON.PC.HELSINKI.FI>
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la xorxes. cusku di'e:

> The normal way to say "I eat the apple" is {mi citka le pa plise}.
> You can say {mi citka lo pa plise}, but then you really mean that only
> one apple exists.

Just a moment, and let me check if my understanding is correct...
Doesn't it say that onlspacetime interval? Like, {mi citka lo pa plise be vi le
 vi jumbe pagbu}?

And one other thing... About the opaque/transparent thing... I have been
listening to the discussion for about a month (or more?), and I basically
know what is wrong with "any", but I can't figure out what in fact do
"opaque" andate, but my mind
usually just skips over these words, not being able to parse them.
And, some definition of {xe'e} a bit more clear than

> Not my {xe'e}. The way I'd define it is something like: "Potentially everyone
> but only one and no other, and none fits the predication in actuality".

I think I got that it means one and just one arbitrarily chosen from whole
set (if used with default {lo} quantifiers), but I can't fathom the meaning
of "none fits the predication in actuality".

Thanks, and

co'o mi'e. goran.

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