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From:         Jorge Llambias <jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU>
Subject:      Re: admirers of 50% of symphonies
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> How does this give us "50% of", or "0.5 of", or "one in two of"?
> I want to be able to say this without knowing the total number
> of symphonies.

You should have said so before :). If you tell me they are four then 50%
is two. Now, let me try without knowing the total number:

> > >  (1) Each admirer admires some but not necessarily each of this 50%
> > >      of symphonies

lei neltce be pisu'o le pimu lei zgikrsimfoni,a
The admirers of at least part of the half of the symphonies.

> > >  (2) Each admirer admires each of the same 50%

lei neltce be le pimu lei zgikrsimfoni,a
The admirers of the half of the symphonies.

> > >  (3) Each admirer admires each of a possibly different 50%

lei neltce be pimu lei zgikrsimfoni,a
The admirers of half of the symphonies.

> And in one of the cases do I have in mind a specific
> subset of symphonies in mind.

(a) {lei zgikrsimfoni,a} is the whole mass of symphonies under discussion.

(b) {pimu lei zgikrsimfoni,a} is a non-specific half of them.

(c) {le pimu lei zgikrsimfoni,a} is the specific half/halves you have in mind.

(d) {lo pimu lei zgikrsimfoni,a} is one or more halves (non specific).

(e) {pisu'o le pimu lei zgikrsimfoni,a} is a non specific part of the
    specific half you have in mind.

(f) {pisu'o lo pimu lei zgikrsimfoni,a} is a non specific part of a non
     specific half.

And so on...

(I'm making all this up as I go, so there is the slight possibility that
I got it all wrong :)

Now:

{neltce lei zgikrsimfoni,as} means "admires the symphonies".

So:

{lo neltce be lei zgikrsimfoni,a} is at least one of those who fit
that predicate, so at least one of the admirers of (all) the symphonies.

Similarly:

{lo neltce be pimu lei zgikrsimfoni,a} is at least one of those who
admire some half of the symphonies. If you have more than one, they
don't have to admire the same half (I think). If you want them all
admiring the whole of one non-specific half, you'd have

{lo neltce be piro lo pimu lei zgikrsimfoni,a}


I think it all makes sense, but I wouldn't swear by it.

Jorge