Return-Path: <@FINHUTC.HUT.FI:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET> Received: from FINHUTC.hut.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0qt1vR-00005YC; Fri, 7 Oct 94 01:08 EET Message-Id: Received: from FINHUTC.HUT.FI by FINHUTC.hut.fi (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 6612; Fri, 07 Oct 94 01:08:46 EET Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin MAILER@SEARN) by FINHUTC.HUT.FI (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 6609; Fri, 7 Oct 1994 01:08:41 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 1757; Fri, 7 Oct 1994 00:04:32 +0100 Date: Thu, 6 Oct 1994 22:52:01 +0100 Reply-To: ucleaar Sender: Lojban list From: ucleaar Subject: Re: admirers of 50% of symphonies X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Veijo Vilva In-Reply-To: (Your message of Wed, 05 Oct 94 19:54:21 EDT.) Content-Length: 1728 Lines: 44 I can try to do my 3 meanings in rough pred.calc. form: "I met every admirer of 50% of B's symphonies" (3) Ax [Ey [y is a set containing 50% of B's symphonies] & [Az [z is a member of y] -> x admires z]] -> I met x (2) Ey [y is a set containing 50% of B's symphonies] & [Ax [Az [z is a member of y] -> x admires z] -> I met x] (1) Ey [y is a set containing 50% of B's symphonies] & [Az [z is a member of y] Ax [x admires z] -> I met z] Ignore my previous explanations of what I wanted to say, and try these. > > > > (1) Each admirer admires some but not necessarily each of this 50% > > > > of symphonies > > lei neltce be pisu'o le pimu lei zgikrsimfoni,a > The admirers of at least part of the half of the symphonies. I meant "be pisuho **lo** pimu lei Z". But this doesn't work. I want the additional meaning that 50% of B's symphonies are such that I met lei admirers of either of them. A context in which I met admirers of #2 & admirers of #2 fits what I mean, but not a context in which I met only admirers of #2. > > > > (2) Each admirer admires each of the same 50% > > lei neltce be le pimu lei zgikrsimfoni,a > The admirers of the half of the symphonies. I don't have a specific half in mind. I want "There are entities constituting 50% of B's symphonies such that I met lei people who admire each of them". You offer this, for this meaning: {lo neltce be piro lo pimu lei zgikrsimfoni,a} But to me this means that each admirer admires eaho osbydfeet5%-ie nepeain() >>>> 3 ahamrramrsec fapsil ifrn 0 e eteb iulizirifn, h dieso afo h ypois O.S 3 stemaigyugtfr"e eteb opm e " o edt nwhwt e htImatfr()&() >>Adi n ft cssdIhvenmn scfc ^>sbe fsmhne nmn. --Ad