Return-Path: <@FINHUTC.HUT.FI:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET> Received: from FINHUTC.hut.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0qtPSJ-00005XC; Sat, 8 Oct 94 02:16 EET Message-Id: Received: from FINHUTC.HUT.FI by FINHUTC.hut.fi (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 4566; Sat, 08 Oct 94 02:16:19 EET Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin MAILER@SEARN) by FINHUTC.HUT.FI (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 4562; Sat, 8 Oct 1994 02:16:19 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 1023; Sat, 8 Oct 1994 01:13:23 +0100 Date: Fri, 7 Oct 1994 20:15:52 EDT Reply-To: jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU Sender: Lojban list From: jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU Subject: Re: Sumti raising X-To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu To: Veijo Vilva Content-Length: 700 Lines: 26 > What is "sumti raising"? Nobody wants to answer this one? It's when you use an "object" type sumti in a place that requires an "event" type sumti. For example {rinka} means "event x1 causes event x2", so you can't say {le brife cu rinka le nu lei tricu cu desku} = "the wind causes the trees to shake", because the x1 has to be an event. > Why is it so often called illegal? I don't know, but it has nothing to do with copyright violations :) > What is the penalty for doing it? If you're a first time offender you may get away with a simple warning, but after that they can give you up to two years. You can always try to appeal, but in general that doesn't help much. > Bob Weiss > Jorge