Return-Path: <@FINHUTC.HUT.FI:LOJBAN@CUVMB.BITNET> Received: from FINHUTC.hut.fi by xiron.pc.helsinki.fi with smtp (Linux Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0rBrTL-00007EC; Sun, 27 Nov 94 23:49 EET Message-Id: Received: from FINHUTC.HUT.FI by FINHUTC.hut.fi (IBM VM SMTP V2R2) with BSMTP id 5248; Sun, 27 Nov 94 23:49:41 EET Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin MAILER@SEARN) by FINHUTC.HUT.FI (LMail V1.1d/1.7f) with BSMTP id 5246; Sun, 27 Nov 1994 23:49:40 +0200 Received: from SEARN.SUNET.SE (NJE origin LISTSERV@SEARN) by SEARN.SUNET.SE (LMail V1.2a/1.8a) with BSMTP id 5922; Sun, 27 Nov 1994 22:46:14 +0100 Date: Sun, 27 Nov 1994 16:51:43 EST Reply-To: jorge@PHYAST.PITT.EDU Sender: Lojban list From: Jorge Llambias Subject: Re: solutions to sumti opacity To: lojban@cuvmb.cc.columbia.edu Content-Length: 657 Lines: 16 > UC>"Gerku" doesn't involve sumti raising. "Klama" probably does, but this > UC>never causes problems because there is no intentionality. > > Never? Last weekend, mi klama lo diklo ke djacu ckana zarci having identified > 2 propspects in the phone book. Both turned out to be out-of-business > and hence our klama-ing turned out to be very intentional and not very > realizable %^) (we did find a not-so-local store). > > lojbab This, of course, will be the solution that finally wins: no marking for opaque references, and let context determine the meaning. It is nice to know that at least in theory there is a way to be more explicit, though. Jorge